The Johann Sebastian Bach Family Tree Is the Bach Family of Musicians Family Tree
Here the story of the musician family begins with Veit. He died in 1619 in Wechmar ...
... here it begins 1504.
1619 vs. 1504
In order not to stop you: to the operating instructions you come here and to the pure, pure family tree of the musicians – and this very fast – is here. The family history of the Bache is, however, more than the 1300 boxes in the scheme. By the way: the "e" at Bache belongs there! For so they were called: Bache. Not the Bachs, not the Bachen – the Bache. Bache was probably one of the first trademarks. A quality label for professional musicians. Even when the musician was no longer a Bach at the office and, logically, also led a completely different name, he was still called Bach. So - that was then in Thuringia.
The Bache! In this case US Bache, however they came from Thuringia.
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The genealogy of the musician family in the wide circle around Erfurt is not complicated. It is much more complicated! She has always been. And quite, perhaps it will always remain so. Bach's pedigrees in printed publications are now nearly all overtaken: whole branches are added unauthorized. Or they are simply omitted. They are forgotten or precautionary not mentioned. Or controversial or not. And the knowledge and the details are in a constant upheaval. Here there are records, there seems to be one of the musicians. Scientists have researched, biographers kept themselves out - but not all. One encounters conjectures which are intermingled with facts, writing errors, wishful thinking, the inflection of facts, and genuine scientific sensations.
But what is so complicated? With Wikipedia everything stands! If you are interested in the genealogy of the most famous family of musicians in the world, there is a long and exciting path, if you do not want to build on our research. A family history over 500 years and so complicated that professorships were written about it and the Federal Cross was awarded for it. A sea of information about Bach in general leaves essentials disappearing in the sheer crowd. It is a genealogy that is based on the added research of a few, and only today combined with the modern methods of the Internet age and the results of this early family research leads to a largely correct family tree of the musician family. On the search you can find everything you can imagine in an "Indiana Jones movie". There are abstruse ideas, conclusions, which no Bach scientist would like to join and also a grave desecration. Likewise, a 17th century family Bible, with a razor blade, separated the pages that did not fit into a prefabricated picture. There are research results manipulated with Tipp-Ex and there are theories that have not been so employed for 300 years. Who belongs to it – who does not? For the exciting ones who are exploring it and also for those who want to experience the history of the bather close up. And their change over the centuries. In Bach's history, for example, there have always been changes, since more than 250 years: in genealogy, in his musical work, and now and then new ones are discovered for the Thomaskantor.
Bach is music, for 500 years meanwhile.
The genealogy of the Bache begins "somehow" with Veit Bach, but is definitely older. Veitbach died in 1619. In Wechmar in Thuringia. He is definitely the first known musician in the family. The genealogy of the Bache as a famous family of musicians, however, began about 110 years earlier, exactly 1504. At a time when Johann Sebastian did not write his "origin" at all. And probably also from this document to the beginning of the history 1504 also knew nothing at all. Why should he? Where, at least roughly, this obvious birth of a first stream of the musician family took place, and also who it was, that must remain open. Goodbye forever! Church records from this period are burned. In some book and pretty family tree, in constellations and lists, in excel tables, and in further attempts to cope the chaos in the genealogy of the musician family, mistakes are partly apparent. And because it also seems rather stupid to write a box, a branch, or a position with 1504, but otherwise nothing to write, the Bachische genealogy starts somehow also in Hungary. So at least Johann Sebastian sends us personally. Or he wrote it up at the age of fifty. And his granddaughter later. Because the original of Bach does not exist anymore. However, in 1735 the Thomaskantor was not enthusiastic about Bach's genealogy, but on the musicians in his family. Many indications indicate that the court composer did not even intend to create a genealogical family tree. It should be simply "only" the musicians – 53 it was until 1735 – and "a few remaining" to be listed. There is a lack of girls and women, as well as men who did not make music. To do this one misses the children, who once died young – even his own. Finally, in the last of his positions, even the birth data, which would have been easy to explore at the time, are missing. The "origin" to complete exactly these essential basic data - as anyone who creates a genealogy – would have been the first law for Bach if it had just been a family tree. But that did not. So Johann Sebastian Bach's list, the "origin of the musical-Bach family", is an excellent piece of information, better: invaluable valuable information – but it is not to be understood as genealogy.
Hans, a gleeman. Not Hans the gleeman. It's a gigantic difference genealogy wise.
The Bach genealogy is a huge challenge around Veit – two generations before Veit and two afterwards. And some researchers have already tried. This period of five generations is of particular importance because it is the branches of the brook tribes that are now part of the family. In the USA, in Germany and the branch of the Bache, which now lives in the Netherlands. In fact, to our surprise, there is a second one, which has migrated somewhat earlier than the first "Bach wave", alongside the branch of the Bach, which are scattered in our time in the USA. Maybe – there is even a third.
The Bach genealogy is not complicated. The Bach genealogy is very complicated!
The Most Organized Family Tree ... Isn't Just Organized
On t he left – here unvisible – grandma and grandpa, on the right the kids, what the rings mean, is what you already know.
Please do not make any false hopes. Just to see and understand, who in the big musician family with whom had which children – that certainly does not work. Because this family is just too complicated. You know, especially Johann Christoph No. 1 to 25.
To put together the family tree of the musical-Bach family has cost thousands of hours of research: many specialists worked and researched for this and the long before "our time". We then went on there where the possibilities were just over twenty years ago. This was the case on the other side of the Atlantic for part of the genealogists to Bach. Not so for Bachwissenschaftlerin and Bachautorin Frau Helga Brück from Erfurt. She was rewarded for meticulous effort when she turned to her as the most accomplished connoisseur of matter with the decisive question from the official side – the rest is history, you know by Mrs. Brück that descendants of Veitbach still live in the USA today Even make music. This was exactly 20 years ago, at a time when the Internet was still in the children's shoes.
My wife and I could add at least three complete branches of Bach genealogy. Naturally and almost "merit-free" the youngest generation at Bachen. To research, to correspond, to put together puzzle pieces and then to document them is one thing. A completely different matter and challenge is to construct a relatively legible family tree from all data. And in fact it is a construction, which is anything but clear. Above all, if you glance at the boxes, lines, symbols and strokes. This line-up is not intended to scare at all – it is designed for those who want to understand or explore the family context with the least amount of time. Or for those who would like to examine their own documents, where there might be a connection with the musician family from Thuringia.
It still seems to be well organized ...
There are different ways of depicting a family tribe. Schematically, we find such a one about the Bach often in the Internet. It is the staircase-like performance of names, which are schematically all correctly listed, but one needs a weekend course in order to be able to read them. Whether they are helpful then remains to be doubted. The cute boxes on a painted tree are not good enough for these amounts of data, but four-meter-wide paper rolls are the treasure of their lives for some people, but they are simply overwhelmed with 500 people. Exceptionally, one is thrilled with twelve meters of paper width. Even the schemas of the electronic kind on the Internet are not helpful, because they are not understood when you are only interested in Bach – and not just for genealogy.
The family tree on this website is comparatively clear: the lying eight means a marriage, from it the connections go to the children from this "pairing". This was already the essential principle. A drawing software or at least the view of the magnification at Flickr is necessary. In the highest resolution! It is not easy to read and at the same time clear. The zooming or enlarging of the body that is interested is the necessary "auxiliary step". A few hints are enough, however, to find the essentials quickly. There are the black and the gray persons. Black means the transmission of the genes of the musician family, gray are the transversers in the musician family. Then there is X, zero and the small +. The + signifies death in the age under 18, the x means an extinction of the brook gene, thus an extinction of this male branch. A zero means that this person remained childless. The small 2 among the Eheringen (... the lying eight) means a second marriage, the color bars show a generation: siblings, half-siblings – always plus husbands of both. In the twentieth and twenty-first centuries, the conditions of Bach are deliberately no longer recognizable, nor are the sexes. If a brook is still alive in a generation, then there is only a cross or a smiley face for the whole generation. And now you can go on your own exploration. Much joy. The figures are an internal guide only for me, but up to 53 they correspond to the origin of the musical-Bach family of Johann Sebastian Bach.
... this is well organized as well. If ... and only if you only could read it. From here: a click brings you to Flickr. On Flickr you get all this in a higher resolution, too. This is projected for 2020.
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... and you are right: they shouldn't be smaller, the miniature boxes. Seriously: this here is an illustration. You find the family tree – probably in 2018 – in a highest resolution with a click on flickr.
The idea of developing a family tree to the musician family in my offer came from the early days of our research. The research with the aim of discovering your own family and reviewing the statements of the grandfather. Quickly one is on the first pages each Bach biography in the years between 1600 and 1700 begun. In order to get a better understanding of the genealogical connections, the individual family members are sketched out. It soon becomes clear how violently it takes constant corrections to understand who is whose father and how many Hansens there is. Johann Christoph, as the most popular first name for these musicians, provokes chaos and frustration, there are no indications on how and where they can be schematically classified into a schema. In addition to the reasonable part of the research, this frustration leads to the idea that the interdependence of the generations and people with the PC should be corrected so that every error can be rectified immediately – and the path leads through a 3D software which however exceeds 250 people with computing power Is a character software.
In the end, this drawing software has three objectives that are superior to any paper on paper and paper on paper: first, any new knowledge must be incorporated without the tagelange work being impaired beforehand. This works because new spaces can be set up and hundreds of positions can be moved easily. Secondly, on a template the complete genealogy can be displayed and at the same time every detail. This is possible on paper only if one assumes a vast width and height. High resolution, Flickr and the mouse make it possible. And thirdly, a slown form of representation can be kept up-to-date from one day to the next. With every new realization, with every correction according to the latest findings and with jueder birth, so trivial this occasion of change also sounds. Books, on the other hand, which are once finalized, then printed and also financed, are scarcely reworked and reprinted and printed for such reasons - I do not know at all! And so this, my family tree for you and, of course, for us, too, is "a kind of living creature", which is sure to be very, very long and constantly changing. 2013 and 2014 certainly because of very trivial spelling errors, representation errors and graphical changes. From 2015 to 2020, because of the implementation of all the information we have already received, but which is still far from being evaluated. And then, when Bachs die, new Bachs are born, or a whole generation will be published by the legal regulation, but more by observing privacy after the death of a last generation of a whole generation, with names and basic data. From the middle of this century, finally, our task will be ended with the transfer of this knowledge and the homepage to a successor, hopefully from the family.
Actually You Get to an End Somewhere ... As Finally We Are All Related to Lucy!
And-please-who is Lucy now? Lucy Bach? This part of Bach's genealogy is somewhat simpler. It is about the compilation of facts and about limit values, when a "probationer" is to be listed as a family member – or not. If you are looking for something more professional, a bit more intensive or even longer with family research, you can also create a first graphic representation of the found persons. Then we ask ourselves who should be interested in the future. It is about the external limits of personal research. Family. How would you define it? The closest circle, to which the spouse and the children are mostly allowed - their own children with the wife? The next defined ring then includes the parents as well as the grandchildren. And here already fifty percent of you shake your head. A further circle are then uncles, aunts and nieces as well as nephews. And so it goes on. Above these described three circles, the ancestral finds are added, as are: Uropa, Uroma, Ururopa, just the whole Uren before the relatives. It also goes into the width. That is to say, we speak of grand and family members of the second and third to a thousandth degree.
Lucy. If you are enthusiastic about the new hobby, you will discover discoveries, discoveries and successful "excavations" and if you do that very often and also with people to whom the contact is still fresh and superficial, then it happens every now and then that one with a little skepticism And lack of interest, we are ultimately all related. Yes, of course, this is also true, because we are all descended from a single primordial man who lived in Africa several thousand years ago: Lucy. And what does Lucy have to do with Johann Sebastian Bach? Directly? Nothing. And indirectly? Also nothing. Back to the graphic representation of a trunk tree and to the extent of the lateral extension of one's own research. Let's go over the three o.a. Family circles. And now we are doing the Thomaskantor. Who is now a family member? Who does not? It is a matter of definition. The upper three rings or circles are, of course, included. This is the case at a point marked by two differences. There are two "varieties family". First of all, the group of people who pass a DNA, or at least a part of it. And there is the second group with genes, which has nothing to do with the other group, but also nothing at all. A bachch example. The second woman of Johann Sebastian. We could also take the first, which makes life difficult for us in this example, because it was called Bach before the marriage, and afterwards also. So a Bach, born Bach. We do not take it for the example. Anna Magdalena Bach, at the time of my Omi, Frau Thomaskantor. Anna Magdalena Bach does not belong to the family with regard to DNA. It was only with the first birth of a child that Johann Sebatsian witnessed that she passed on Bach DNA. With the birth of the first child of Johann Sebastian and his wife Anna Magdalena, these genes are passed on to future generations.
The mother of Anna Magdalena, however, and again, bears none of these genes. Logically, actually. So now the mother of Anna Magdalena and only in this respect is not a family member, but the father of Johann Sebastian already. The difference becomes clear only when you explain to your mother-in-law next Christmas that she does not belong to the family. It is therefore important to understand what the difference between the family is based on the transport of DNA and what is a family on the basis of the "normal affinities". You can find more about this in the general genealogy here on the homepage. It is now possible to examine stem trees in both categories. In the more comprehensive version one can find thousands of ancestors with patience, energy, time and money and integrate into his gallery of ancestors. There is the fourth-degree nephew of the sister of the big-bone. And with this, of course, increases the likelihood of encountering thrilling, known or famous people. Also on the black sheep of a family, always the criminals and also those who have drunk this or that done and thus migrated into the files, as my grandpa in America. The fun is different when you choose the schematic representation, because suddenly a very decisive criterion is added. Because the stated goal is not to write a 250-meter-wide and 40-meter-high paper sheet, and four times four meters can hardly be processed any more, one realizes very quickly that one can also be quite happy about the exclusion of certain family members , Only, for example, to reduce their sheer volume. The matter with the transfer of the gene pool is located here.
We made this decision. Our Bach genealogy covers, with the exception of only one person, the brood-gene of a nameless and unidentified brook-family-fathers from 1504 to the future. The exception? One person who marries a person who belongs to this gene pool. Not her or his parents. Also not their siblings, so to say, in the time sideways. This is clearly defined by the example of our Thomaskantor from Eisenach: he is in it anyway – and with a smile – once again. His sons too – I still smile. His wife, Anna Magdalena, is, however, the exception mentioned, for she has no genes from the brook-fathers: Anna Magdalena's parents, however, and Anna Magdalena's brothers and sisters: they do not appear at all in Bach's genealogy. For the peasants, if they had any.
This is Lucy? Nope, Lucy already looked a little more developed. Here you see a chimp, who – we just don't know it – could actually have been great-great-grandfather of Lucy.
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These smilies live among us, the crosses are synonym for dead Bachs in this generation of the family of musicians.
Not many, but all the brooks, old and very young, will be listed in our most correct of all Bach genealogies. For we want to continue on to the distant future and, with a huge time shift of several decades, we will also publish generation by generation. However, the privacy of the individual is particularly important because not every Bach would like to be more or less in the spotlight of Bach's genealogy fan base. It was a challenge to take this interest – even more, guaranteed - and still retain the trust of many who belong to the family to receive sensitive data in order to put them in.
The search for this goal quickly reveals that conclusions can be drawn about living family members very quickly through the scheme. Even at ancestry.com, the American super-platform for genealogy is to distinguish whether it is about a man or a woman. But with a bit of thinking it works and that goes like this:
Basically, the scheme builds on generations. One generation is defined by children of a couple plus their half-babies from a second marriage of a parent. Here come the husbands of the children and their half-siblings. The generation, from which even only one of these generations still lives, is now shown neutral in the scheme. Already for this generation the connecting lines are no longer assigned and from this generation also no more. One only sees the number of the living Bachs and the collective number of generations, which follows the generations represented by name. Differences can only be deceased and living streams, and the number – per generation and total.
In order to gain access to these data, it is necessary to convince ourselves, according to our standard and our personal decision, that a Bach actually belongs to the musician family. Then this data is also available to him. And to belong to this small circle of people, a single indication is not enough. This ensures an optimal protection of the data as well as the privacy of all those who make a fantastic contribution with their data, documents and treasures.
Beginner or Expert?
First of all, the spirits separate, which is now easier to consume. A pretty tree scheme, box on paper – or one of the electronic offers. You'll get Bach alternatively: once on Ancestry.com – we would like to invite you to Ancestry.com. Otherwise it will be too complicated for me without introduction. Or just a mouse click away, in my conviction in the most obvious form, which is explained in a minute. Of great importance, at least 2013 and 2014: the schema is a kind of living organism. It actually changes daily and will be replaced in mid-April every two to three weeks changed in a further development. So he is not finished yet - and he also contains a lot of mistakes for every conceivable discipline. And that means? That the full-flowered allegations and promises of you will surely only be understandable in a few weeks. For we are still engaged in researching, arranging and integrating.
The Merits of Others
Again, it should be pointed out here that several well-known and unknown, significant and insignificant scientists, hobby researchers, Bach authors and simply leisure genealogists have contributed to this completeness. Alone by the fact that printed books are spoiled so quickly in such a long period of time as those of the era up to Bach's work, and that something finished in the internet is optimized and changed in a few hours, books are hardly on the latest Can be accommodated. At least once, a very dedicated researcher simply passed away in death, "just before his update was completed. Of course, we are proud to be able to publish this most complete, complete and extensive family tree of the musician family here, To enter three branches which none of the authors mentioned below have found themselves-and yet the lion's share are strange feathers with which we shall admit a little. The important genealogists are, however, explicitly mentioned here, and the scientists who made a significant contribution to the state of the art today. Much more because we owe her a lot, Mrs. Helga Brück, we and you will be remembered by the discovery of the first American line. Then the first Bach biographer Forkel, in particular Herrmann Frickel, who received the Federal Cross for his Bach research. Professor Günter Kraft, who studied the origin of Veit intensively, Theresa Bach, who created the second US line meticulously to a book and last but not least, Bach-Koryphäe and Bach author Christoph Wolff with its execution to Bach genealogy.
Tadaaaa ... the Manual
Click on the picture. Then you are at Flickr. Decide for the highest resolution and now it's clear, or quite large, the part you are particularly interested in. The timeline is German: on the left it is to Christ's birth, right to the future. Black writing represents the existence of Bach DNA, gray writing is a cross-breeder into the family, thus married women. The same color is one generation each. One generation is a) siblings, b) half-siblings, and c) the married couple. The lying eight is the sign for wedding, as well as the boxes are connected. A small plus means died before the age 18. A zero means no offspring, the X stands for an extinction of the male brook line. In the case of two married women or two husbands, a 2 is noted under the lying eight, one even a third for a third connection. Actually – also everything somehow self-explanatory.
A click here ...
... and you get a larger and even larger result on Flickr.
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